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Some more human garbage who treat small animals as insignificant living beings >:-/|
First there's this lady named Chrissy Arnold from Oshawa, who ran a pet mill for rats and then when she needs to get rid of them, she creates a terrible Kajiji ad offering them to snake breeders/owners. People like this bitch should not be allowed to keep animals of any kind! >:-/
Next is some unknown jerk from Ottawa who posted this cruel ad! I'd like to find out who the SOB is to warn people about them. All that is known is that they are a coward, not answering their Kajiji ad when people inquired about the poor rats.
Another uncaring jerk of a person who doesn't give a damn about small animals >:-/|
This Effin' jerk named Terry Hughes Terry Hughes (email@example.com) from St. John, New Brunswick puts up an ad on Kajiji to offer his two rats for food only because they were retired from breeding and sick with tumors. Well apparently he's retired, so I hope that when the SOB gets sick that the health care system leaves him high and dry to suffer too! >:-/
Scumbag ad poster from New Brunswick doesn't even give his pets 3 days to find a new home on Kajiji|
Perhaps here we have one of the worst scumbags of all? This ad poster from Moncton, New Brunswick named Wayne Boutilier who posts an ad saying he needs to re-home his pet rats because his kids have zero interest in them, but says they need to go ASAP, can be pets or feeders. D: Well as you can see from the two ads, that the bastid didn't even give his pets three days before dumping them off at some pet shop to be sold as pets or food. What a sick jerk! >:-/
Here are the responses to some people who were interested in trying to help re-home the pet rats. D:
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:04 PM, wayne boutilier <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
OK this is getting extremely weird..the two rats are at pet culture on moutian road. Just go in ask for the two rats that was given to them the other day. The manager knows me so you will have no issues . there both females one is white with a Lil brown on her nose and the other is a barker tan color. Tan is Ying. White is Yang. So don't bother me any more bout those two rats...they are 8 months old. And if you go to pet store claiming them to yours that will not fly with me as they was my rats from birth I raised them from day one . Have a nice day and best of luck.
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:03 PM, wayne boutilier <email@example.com> wrote:
There gone so you will have to find other ones. Tons need homes rite
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:53 PM, wayne boutilier <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
The rats are already taken sorry"
The horrors of Kajiji when it comes to small animals D:|
Who the heck takes baby rodents from the mom before they're weaned? D: What kind of twisted person says that they have 7 pinkies for sale that they need gone ASAP? >:-/ Here is another example of a person from St. Catharines, Ontario that thinks they can just breed their rats over and over to get fancy babies, but when they have too many they put them up for sale, or as in their other ads you see them being given away for free. The only consolation is that they are insisting that they go as pets, but without a re-homing fee, anyone can say that they want them as a pet. :-(
The horrors of Craigslist when it comes to small animals D:|
This is the sad kind of thing that happens to poor small animals when you get backyard breeders trying to make a business of breeding and selling small animals on places like Craigslist. They find out that the number of animals soon becomes out of control and the demand for people wanting them is not that great and they end up posting ads like this to try and get rid of their animals and get out of the business. Usually things don't go well for the poor rodents, but thankfully this time a rescue stepped up to help take in the remaining rats.
Shame on the greedy ad poster from Williamsport, Pennsylvania! This is why breeding animals of any kind out of your home should be illegal! Just look at the horrible overcrowded living conditions the poor rats are being kept in. D:
The dangers of hamsters wheels for small animals|
The Dangers of Hamster Exercise WheelsRunning wheels for small pets like hamsters, mice, gerbils and rats cause broken legs, amputated limbs and fractured tails that require surgical amputation or euthanasia.
Dec 5, 2008
Journalist, Producer/Editor & Web Writer. Carter's work has appeared on CBS and CNN.com.
Walk into virtually any pet store and there, on the shelf, pet owners will find running wheels and clear running balls for small animals like hamsters, gerbils, mice and rats. Peek in the pet store cage and there's a good chance the pet store mice or hamsters are running - often two or three at a time - on cage wheels.
But small animal running wheels and running balls for small pets should be avoided at all costs. Hamster wheels and hamster balls, as they're frequently referred to, are very dangerous, resulting in pet injuries so severe that often, euthanasia is the only option.
"Simply stated, exercise wheels and 'hamster balls,' as they're commonly called, are deadly. They can and will cause severe injuries that leave a pet owner with two choices: amputation or euthanasia," explained Dr. Michael Levine, DVM.
Why Are Small Animal Exercise Wheels Dangerous?
Exercise wheels pose many different dangers. Some exercise wheels for hamsters, mice, gerbils, rats and other small animals are constructed of coated metal and the running surface is a metal mesh or metal bars. While running, a hamster's foot, leg, nail or toe can become caught in the wheel, and the momentum creates sufficient force to fracture or even amputate the limb. Gerbils, mice and rats often suffer tail injuries as well, when their tail becomes trapped in the revolving wheel.
When multiple mice, hamsters or gerbils run on an exercise wheel - a frequent occurrence - this poses even more risk for injury, since the uninjured animal will keep running even if the other animal is caught in the wheel.
Some owners of small pets are led to believe that a running wheel with a solid plastic running surface is safer. This is not the case, especially since most solid plastic running wheels mount onto the side of the hamster or mouse cage.
"I've seen many cases where a gerbil or mouse tail or limb gets caught where the wheel mounts onto the cage. I've also seen fatal crush injuries with these solid plastic running wheels. The animal can become trapped and crushed between the wheel and the cage with models that mount directly onto the cage.
"Small pocket pets like mice, gerbils and hamsters will also try to climb on the slick outer surface of the wheel, and if another cagemate starts running on the exercise wheel, the animal that's climbing on the outside of the running wheel can become wedged between the spinning wheel and the side of the cage. It's a terrible, painful, frightening — and often, slow — way for your pet to die," Dr. Levine explained.
The Consequences of Running Wheel Injuries in Hamsters, Gerbils and Other Small Pets
Serious and life-threatening injuries due to exercise wheels are very common – more common than most pet owners realize. And unfortunately, a serious injury in a pocket pet usually leads to euthanasia since pet owners are not willing to pay for the specialized surgery that is required to heal a broken leg in a mouse, hamster, gerbil, rat or other small pet.
"If you allow your pocket pet to run on an exercise wheel, there's about a 7 in 10 chance that he will sustain a serious injury at some point in his life. When that happens, you will be faced with the following decision: let your pet suffer and die a painful death from shock and dehydration (dehydration since ill and injured pets often refuse to eat and drink); euthanize the pet; or take your small pet to an exotics specialist who can perform an amputation – the most common course of treatment for a rat, hamster, mouse or gerbil with a broken leg - for a price of about $1,500. There's about a 70 percent chance that you will someday have to pick between these options if you allow your pet to use an exercise wheel," Dr. Levine explained.
Alternative Exercise for a Hamster, Gerbil, Rat or Mouse
The best form of exercise for a small pocket pet is free-range exploration. Pet owners can set up a pet-safe room and allow the pet to explore this safe room for an hour or two each day. Pet owners can offer up cardboard mazes, fun toys like toilet paper rolls and PVC pipes, and other fun pocket pet activities.
Notably, pet owners should also avoid small animal running balls, also known as "hamster balls," which pose similar risks as an exercise wheel."
Another shameful pet owner in Oshawa, Ontario|
A bunch of people from some small animal rescue groups tried to respond to some worrying ads by an ad poster on Kajiji. One of the ads said Two Large Male Rats free need gone by 3:30 pm August 1st. Now that worries me because who knows if they are going to dump the rats outside or what? They said that they tried to feed the rats to their snake but the snake didn't want them so they offered them for free. Then there was another ad by the same poster saying 2 friendly rats and that they again tried to feed them to their snake but it didn't eat them and now she didn't have the heart to feed them again and offered them both for $10. Well the problem is that several members at the rescue groups have tried to contact this ad poster over the last few days by texting, e-mail and phone with no response. We are worried about the status of the rats. What worries me more is when I did a search of the person's info I found their Facebook and photo accounts. They had numerous pets of all kinds and even posted photos thinking it was funny when one of their snakes was eating past rats by putting comments such as "Yummy" or "NomNom" D: What a sick, twisted bitch!!
You can see photos of her with her numerous pets here. How can one be allowed to have so many animals at once? It must be like a zoo in her house. D: http://www.enjoygram.com/kaleighkakkerman
I really hate animal hoarders like this! They take in too many animals as pets and when they can no longer care for them or tire of them, they put them up for sale in ads on Kajiji or Craigslist! >:-/
Here are copies of her Kajiji ads when she grew tired of taking care of her pets :-(
Here she thought it was funny to post photos of her snake eating some poor rats. The bitch obviously hasn't ever thought that it's more humane to train your snake to eat pre-killed rodents. Not to mention that it is also safer from the snake, because a cornered rodent can bite, scratch or even sometimes kill a snake if it gets lucky. >:-/
Here are the pics of the poor rats from her Kajiji ads. Nobody knows if they found a good home, were taken by another snake owner or what?
It's like her house is a zoo D:
Shameful pet breeder in Oshawa, Ontario|
There is an ad poster that posted an ad for a mother rat with five babies, that some people at the at a rescue group responded to. They were told to come by on Thursday and pick them up. Soon after that they got another e-mail stating that all the babies had died. :-( The ad poster went on to say that they were breeding rats, over 150 of them recently and that they had the mother still and one other male if we wanted. They also said that the rats were kept in an outdoor cage and one female escaped. D: Poor thing. So after making plans to get them, a friend of mine was told to come on Wednesday, but when she drove up to the guy's house with her boyfriend, the ad poster didn't answer the door or was not home at the time he promised to be home for the pick up. The fear is that either something happened to these rats or they escaped.
Here are some copies of e-mails between the ad poster an my friend.
To _ _ _ _ _
Aug 5 at 1:17 AM
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From: danny perro
Date: Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 9:38 PM
To: _ _ _ _ _ _
They are still available I'm at 231 Burk st if you can pick them up just let me know when
Sent from my iPhone
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To _ _ _ _ _
Aug 5 at 1:18 AM
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: danny perro
Date: Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:03 AM
To: _ _ _ _ _
I just checked the cage and the mother abandoned the babies and they didn't survive if you wanted the babies but I also have a male rat to breed if you wanted one of them coz my other female rat escaped her outdoor cage and I don't need him anymore
Sent from my iPhone
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To _ _ _ _ _
Aug 5 at 4:26 AM
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: danny perro
Date: Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:20 AM
To: _ _ _ _ _
I only have one female the other one escaped its cage and is free now outside
Sent from my iPhone
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From: danny perro
Date: Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:40 AM
To: _ _ _ _ _
She will be pregnant in a month or maybe a week later you will have baby rats I was breeding but never was able to keep the rats teeth from growing when they are young and all of them died eventually I've had about 150 baby rats in the past 7 months with the two female rats that I had
Sent from my iPhone"
Such scumbags like this guy should never be allowed to own animals of any kind! >:-/
Here are a couple of their original Kajiji ads
and here is the changed ad after they said that all the babies had died :-(
It's just terrible that such a scumbag as this Danny Perro guy can be allowed to own or breed small animals! >:-/
Shameful rodent breeder in New Brunswick|
Just look at the terrible conditions these poor rats are being housed in by this person on Kajiji from St.-Marie-de-Kent, New Brunswick. When contacted by text, e-mail or phone 506-232-6464 by people wanting to buy the rats this ad poster did a no show. :-(
Here uou can see overcrowded containers with many rats living together in dirty conditions. What kind of terrible person does this? I say a scumbag, that's who!
Shameful pet breeder in Sarnia, Ontario|
This girl Raven Nahmabin and her boyfriend have been breeding numerous rats in poor conditions and then selling them on Kajiji. They posted several ads but one in particular said "need gone ASAP" D: Does that mean that they were going to abandon or dump the rats outside if they couldn't sell them? A local small animal rescue in the area tried to reach out and were told that they could get the rats by Raven, but then Raven did a no show. In my opinion such gutter trash people should not be allowed to own pets, let alone breed them and sell the babies! >:-/
Here you can see the poor conditions that she kept the animals in. >:-/
What to do if your rat appears to be choking?|
My Rat is Choking
If your rat is choking, it can be a scary experience for both of you. A rat who is choking may look like they are gagging. They will open their mouth wide, have ears pulled back against their head and will have drooling as well.
The key is making sure your rat is breathing. If the rat does not appear to be breathing or is having extreme difficulty doing so, please take them to your vet! If they are breathing okay, let them continue with the gagging/drooling. This is how they dislodge the item best. Just comfort them the best you can, stay calm, and monitor for difficulty breathing or any other changes.
It may take up to 6 hours to clear the object. If the rat has not cleared it by then, it is advised to take them to the vet because this may be something the rat cannot fix on their own.
A method you can use which Debbie Ducommun calls “The Fling” may help dislodge the item if the rat is really struggling. This technique should be performed very carefully and should NOT be used on a rat who is breathing:
“Hold your rat firmly around the neck with one hand, and by the base of the tail with the other to hold her securely. Make sure there are no objects within an arm’s length. Lift the rat overhead and bring her down in a rapid arc, so that at the end of the path she’s tail up and head down. This can be repeated three to four times, then give the rat a rest, check her breathing, and see if anything is visible in the mouth. This is extremely effective in dislodging objects in the throat. However, do NOT use this procedure if your rat can breathe, or you might make it worse.”
Peanut butter, dried noodles, bread and nuts are items I have heard to cause choking more often in rats and should be avoided or given with caution.
Video of Choking Rat
We need stronger anti animal cruelty laws to protect pets from scumbags like this guy! >:-/|
We need stronger anti animal cruelty laws to protect pets from scumbags like this guy! >:-/
"Black Canyon City resident arrested for Animal Cruelty - Incident involves Hundreds of Domesticated Rats
Update, July 3: I was informed this morning that YCSO officers involved in this case will be seeking a Class 6 felony charge under ARS 13-2910, Cruelty to Animals, which involves issues of cruel neglect or abandonment. Additionally, Yavapai County Developmental Services has opened an investigation into the property conditions with the land owner ---
On June 30, 2014, Yavapai County Health Services personnel requested assistance with a possible animal cruelty investigation at a home in the 19200 block of E. Abbott Street, Black Canyon City. Health Services had received a call from a citizen reporting numerous dying and dead rats in around a trailer on the property.
Upon arrival, deputies and YCSO Animal Control Officers could immediately smell urine, feces, and the odor of dead animal carcass’ emanating from the property. A large travel trailer was inspected as it was the strongest source of the odor. This trailer had a pen inside the front section that contained several dead and dying rats and pens to the rear with an estimated 300 to 500 rats, most of which appeared dead or dying. The temperature inside the trailer was over 100 degrees and the odor was overwhelming.
Inside the main residence, YCSO personnel found several aquariums with newborn and adult rats. The animals appeared in good condition and had food and water. No one was home at the time.
Deputies learned that a person by the name of “Jeff,” later identified as 28-year-old Jeffrey Wendorff, was the known caretaker for the rats. Wendorff was located at a nearby business and detained. He initially denied knowledge of any animals on the Abbott Street property, but eventually admitted he had stopped caring for the rats recently and said, “As far as I known, they’re probably all dead.” Wendorff indicated he was living at the location until a couple of weeks ago. Both he and the property owner had previously entered into a business partnership for the purpose of breeding and selling rats for profit. This arrangement also allowed Wendorff to live on the property rent free. Following a pay dispute, Wendorff abandoned his duty as the primary caretaker, moved, and abandoned the animals. The property owner is apparently only a part time resident.
Wendorff was arrested and charged with Cruel Mistreatment of Animals and Cruel Neglect/Abandonment of Animal – both misdemeanors. He was booked at the Camp Verde Detention Center and has since been released on a promise to appear for court. The investigation is ongoing as to others who might be complicit in this activity.
Citizens can contact the Yavapai County Sheriff’s Office with information or questions at 928-771-3260 or the YCSO website: www.ycsoaz.gov"
A truly touching story involving pets and pet rescue =^.^=|
Now this is a truly touching story =^.^=~ http://www.smallanimalchannel.com/critter-exclusives/amazing-story-of-one-boy-and-his-family-helping-more-than-1200-animals-and-the-surprise-payback.aspx#.U4ZHZS31Ow4.facebook
"Alex Randall is a young man with many dreams. You could also say he has made many dreams come true for a great many precious souls. He is the reason why more than 1,200 exotic pets have been rescued by the Critter Camp animal sanctuary in German Valley, Illinois, since 2004.
Alex’s story is one of tragedy to triumph. The 22-year-old has a rare disorder called Landau Kleffner Syndrome Variant. It is a puzzling neurological disorder in which a baby develops normally, but later there is a sudden onset of continual seizure activity during the night that leads to sudden regression and aggression. The child, for all intents and purposes, is autistic with epilepsy. The silent seizures are like a constant electrostatic noise going on in the brain. Alex Randall’s condition has been quite a challenge for his mother and the sanctuary operator, Beth Randall, as well as for his family.
Beth remembers when they literally woke up to a new Alex. "He was 18 months; he first lost his language and regressed to basically a wild animal stage. Growling, pointing, grunting and attacking people, needed to line toys and items, etc. Very autistic behavior, but he also stopped sleeping at night — literally. He woke every 20 minutes and was up for another 20. For three years!”
Fortunately, there is treatment for the disorder. Medications brought improvement. However, that all came to an end when he was 9 years old and suffered significant trauma at school. The challenges only grew for Alex as he regressed more and more. So much so, that the family was told he should be institutionalized. Meanwhile his sisters were being bullied horribly at school with no end in sight. Her oldest son was away at college. There seemed to be only one other option. That was for Beth to quit her jobs and homeschool all of them.
© Courtesy Beth Randall
Since 2004, this home has been the sole location for Critter Camp, but a stand-alone sanctuary is on the horizon.
While Alex and his siblings were being homeschooled they asked for a pet. Beth integrated this into their curriculum. They had to completely research their choices before they were allowed to get any. The children wanted something unusual and chose two ferrets, who they named Ferrie and Anastasia. Alex started improving with the new pets, and then the tutoring and therapy began to pay off.
And then something unexpected happened. Because the ferrets were unusual and Beth and Alex were available at home most of the time, people began showing up at their door with forlorn animals that no one would take in. Alex had already connected with the ferrets but he also began connecting with the unique animals that came through the doors. The entire family enjoyed caring for them and finding them homes. However, things soon grew out of hand when the number of old, sick and aggressive unadoptable animals rose to 20. Meanwhile, Alex was progressing by leaps and bounds! That is when Beth decided to create an official rescue that caters to the truly neediest of all pets — exotics.
She describes the residents of Critter Camp and what it does, "Many were in shelters slated for euthanasia. The unadoptable and the unusual ones that shelters cannot or do not want to care for. It is the only 501(c)(3), USDA-licensed, all-volunteer operated pet sanctuary that only accepts unadoptable and unusual small pets other than cats and dogs, no wildlife or farm animals either. Critter Camp was officially founded in 2004. It's our 10th anniversary! We currently care for over 350 pets of 30 different species.”
Alex Randall with muppet and macaw
© Courtesy Cassandra Randall
Alex Randall has loved the Muppets and Sesame Street since his childhood. He idolizes Jim Henson's creativity.
Alex is the reason that Critter Camp came into existence. "If he hadn't needed to be homeschooled for his safety and recovery, we never would have been in a position to fill this unique niche,” Beth said. The relationship between Alex and the beautiful animals he lives with is symbiotic. A great many lives are saved and given loving homes because of Alex and Critter Camp, and Alex flourishes because of the animals. He benefited from the experiences at the sanctuary so much so that he recovered from his trauma. His skills and function returned and grew.
"[The animals] gave him a focus outside of himself and a responsibility to other creatures whose lives depended on his care,” Beth said. "It also taught him that things come when you wait. He eventually was able to care for a fennec fox years after he asked for one. We took in a macaw years after he wanted one as a pet too. He also learned to be careful what you wish for, that the care and needs of these animals is much harder than it looks and they aren't as easy full time as they seem in small doses on TV or online.”
Therapeutic effects from animals are nothing new, and there are a great many. One is that they can help build a sense of confidence. Alex learned all he could accomplish with a lot of hard work and determination. The animals also aid him with interacting with people. This is crucial because his language and social skills are so impaired. The animals gave him hope.
Today, Alex is integral to the sanctuary. He is a hardworking volunteer who devotes several hours a day there. His duties include feeding and watering 100 free-range rabbits and guinea pigs located in a barn. He also maintains the water bottles of the 100 cages in the house. Beth said that his obsessive nature actually helps in that he never lets a water bottle get empty! Other duties include sweeping, picking up, taking out the trash and yard work.
"It’s hard work, but somebody has to do it. And it makes me feel like a hero to save these,” Alex said. When asked what he loves best about living in a rescue he replied, "Helping the animals get love and care and treated.” Feeling like this is more precious to Alex than anyone can imagine, because one of his biggest dreams of all is to be a superhero."
There are certain types of wood that you should never give your pet rats to chew on!|
Woods That Are Bad for Rats to Chew Onhttp://animals.pawnation.com/woods-bad-rats-chew-6223.html
"Pet stores offer a variety of wood toys for small animals, but not all of these products are safe for pet rats to chew. Even if rat toys are constructed of nontoxic wood, they might be colored with unhealthy dyes. Some types of wood from trees, branches and twigs you find outdoors can endanger your rat, and all natural, nontoxic woods require cleaning, drying and curing.
Do Rats Need to Gnaw and Chew?
The word "rodent" is derived from the Latin word "rodere," which means to gnaw. Like all rodents, pet rats have teeth that never stop growing and must keep those teeth at a healthy length by chewing on hard foods, by gnawing on wood and other materials and by bruxing (grinding their teeth). If rats do not gnaw and chew on materials such as hard foods or wood, their incisors might become overgrown, eventually penetrating their palate and preventing them from eating.
Soft, aromatic woods, such as cedar and pine, do not belong in your rat’s habitat, because they contain phenols, compounds that are acidic, poisonous and caustic. Pet stores sell bags of pine and cedar cage bedding with no warning of potential health dangers. Many people use this kind of bedding, because it is described as natural and is an inexpensive, easy-to-find product. Inhaling or ingesting phenol oils in cedar and pine will irritate your pet rats' nasal passages, throats and lungs, and can lower immune resistance and cause permanent damage to their respiratory systems and kidneys.
Wood from trees of the Prunus family are typically unsafe for rats, so avoid giving your rat any branches or twigs from peach, almond, apricot, plum, nectarine and all types of cherry. Pits or stones in these fruits contain high concentrations of cyanide, a toxic substance found throughout these trees. Chewing, gnawing and ingesting any Prunus tree parts can cause abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, cyanosis—a lack of oxygen in the blood—respiratory congestion, decreased heart rate, seizures, coma and eventually death, especially in small animals.
Other Tree Woods
Serious symptoms can be caused by toxic substances found in tree woods. Chewing any part of the yew tree can result in nausea, diarrhea, convulsions and eventually death. Pet rats may experience kidney damage if they are allowed to gnaw on and ingest the wood or acorns of the quercus species of oak tree. Bark from both the elderberry and black locust tree is toxic, and your rat should never be exposed to either trees' wood. Your rat must never be allowed to chew on wood of buckeye or horse chestnut trees. The toxins in both trees can result in inflammation, cognitive impairment, loss of consciousness and paralysis.
Even nontoxic woods can be unsafe for rats to chew. When putting branches or other wood furnishings in your rat's cage or giving your rat any wooden objects to gnaw on, use only pesticide-free, unpainted and untreated wood. If you have any doubt about the where the wood comes from, err on the side of caution by finding safe wooden toys made especially for pet rats. Nontoxic tree and plant woods are not safe for rats or other small pets to chew until you have scrubbed the wood, using hot salt water, to remove all surface dirt. After the wood is clean, heat it for about 30 minutes in a 250- to 300-degree oven or sun-dry it until it is completely dry. This process should sterilize and dry out the wood, and prevent bacteria growth."
This is why not everyone should be allowed to buy/own a pet!!!!!|
Man convicted of neglecting over 200 rats
"17 Jun 2014
A Falkirk man has been convicted of neglecting over 200 pet rats following a Scottish SPCA investigation.
Andrew Hughes, 23, of Calder Place, Hallglen, was sentenced at the town's sheriff court on Thursday (12 June).
Hughes pled guilty to failing to provide a suitable environment for 220 rats and was banned from keeping animals for three years.
Commenting on the investigation and court case, Inspector Leanne McPake said, "This was a horrific case of animal neglect. Hughes was keeping 170 rats in a two storey rabbit hutch which was approximately two foot by four foot in size.
"The hutch was swarming with rats and they were piled up on top of each other due to the lack of space.
"It was clear the conditions were woefully inadequate and completely inhumane.
"Of the 170 rats, 140 were females and many of them were pregnant. A further 50 mothers and their young were also found in smaller boxes, bringing the total number to 220.
"In times of stress mother rats will harm or destroy their babies and we could see young being eaten by their mothers and other rats.
"We are disappointed that Hughes was not given a life ban on keeping animals, an option available to the courts under the Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) Act 2006.
"While we removed 220 rats from Hughes, this figure soon multiplied as so many gave birth in our care.
"We have since found lots of rats loving new homes but we still have a huge number at our animal rescue and rehoming centres throughout Scotland.
"If anyone is interested in offering some of our rats a fresh start we would encourage them to contact us on 03000 999 999.""
A rare Russian theatrical cartoon from 1978|
«PICK THE LITTLE MOUSE»
|17 min. 36 sec.
|On the motives of the story of V. Bianki which tells us about wintering of field mice. The Little mouse shows bravery and resource to be rescued from enemies in the world which was unfamiliar to him.
||Natalia Orlova, Tatiana Sokolskaya
||Elena Karavaeva, I. Kulakova
||Violetta Kolesnikova, Alexander Mazaev, Youry Kuziurin, Galina Zebrova
|puppets and decor
Think before you put out food in your backyard if you don't want to attract wild creatures. |
I died today and here is why:— with Nonhuman Emancipation and Stacey Citraro-againstanimalabuse.
I wandered into your garden, you had lots of food laying around for the birds, far more than they could eat, so I thought, “I’m hungry I'll just have a nibble.” I came back the next day and the next; you kept putting lots of food out for me.
Then you noticed me.
“Ewww! A dirty rat!” I heard you say. The next thing I know a man comes along with boxes. I heard him telling you all the harm I will do if he doesn’t kill me, all the diseases I supposedly carry. In reality I would never have done you any harm. Think about it – how many people do you know that have caught anything from me? But I ate the poison; I didn’t feel well; my tummy began to hurt; I felt ill; my agony intensified. Then five days later, I died.
I heard you saying someone had poisoned a cat and how cruel it was, but you have just poisoned me, how is that different? I'm not anyone's pet but I feel pain, I suffer, so why is ok for me to suffer this way? Your actions did not only affect me, Mrs. owl caught my poisoned brother and fed him to her babies. Now they are all slowly dying, because of you!
If you didn't want me there the answer was simple, take away the food supply, clean up your mess and I won't bother you. I would have just moved on. The man with boxes says I must die, but he gets lots of money from killing my kind.
So what happens now? I'm gone, you'll keep putting the food out and my friends will move in, the whole cycle will start again. Think before you put poison down—it is cruel, it is unnecessary, it is dirty.
A great post by The Rat Shack on what to do if your pet rat should escape from it's cage.|
A great post by The Rat Shack on what to do if your pet rat should escape from it's cage. =^.^=
Posted Mar 25th 2014 | By:
It's happened to most of us at least once-- we come home from work to find, much to our dismay, that we didn't secure a cage door properly, or a particularly determined rat has chewed a hole through their cage's plastic bottom.
Maybe we were socializing a squirmy baby and watched in horror as it sprung like a cricket from our hands and darted into hiding under a dresser. Escapes are simply something that we in the rat world have to be prepared to deal with.
When you do come to the realization that one of your beloved ratties has gotten loose in your home, it is important not to panic. Make your home safe for a ratty to roam. If you have other pets such as dogs or cats that could potentially attack a loose rat, make sure you secure them in a kennel or bathroom (after making sure your rat isn't in that room). Also pick up anything else in ratty reach that could be harmful, such as toxic houseplants or ant/roach bait. Close any doors and windows leading outside.
Now comes the hard part-- finding the escapee. Some rats won't stray too far from the familiar area around their cage and will be easily located. Others may be bolder and will venture off to explore the rest of your home. To find them, you need to think like a rat. Rats generally like to be under cover of some sort, so begin by checking behind and under furniture, and inside any other snug nooks and crannies found throughout your home. Turn off any noise-making devices such as air purifiers or air conditioners, and take time to sit quietly and listen for the sounds of your rat chewing on furniture or baseboards, or rustling about with stolen papers.
One of the most important things you MUST do while your little one is on the loose for an extended period of time is to leave food and water where they can access it. Dehydration is dangerous for any animal, and even the most resourceful rats will need help finding food. Do NOT try to starve your ratty out of hiding.
A great trick for picking up on the trail of an escaped rat is to sprinkle flour, cornstarch, or something similar on the floor along various routes of travel. If your home is carpeted, lay out newspaper or a plastic mat to sprinkle the flour on. While you are busy searching other rooms, or at work, asleep, etc., your rat may migrate to another spot and will leave footprints in the flour. While these tracks may not necessarily lead you to the rat's hiding spot, they will a) assure you that the rat is still secure within your home and b) possibly give you a clue as to what room the rat is in.
When you locate your rat, you may not be able to catch them if they aren't socialized, or if their little misadventure has put them into a state of fear. If this is the case, seal off the room you have found them in, and place an open cage or carrier on the floor of that room with food and water. It is best to leave the room for while, perhaps even overnight, and check back later to see if your rat has ventured into the open cage. You may have instances where you enter to find them in the cage eating, only to have them bolt again before you can shut the cage door. It will take time and patience, but eventually you will be able to close the cage door on them.
Rats are attracted to the sound and smell of other rats, so another good way to lure your rat out is to place a closed cage or carrier with your other rats in it on the floor. Your escapee may come out to investigate or say hello to their friends, affording you another opportunity to catch them, or at least catch a glimpse of them long enough to see where they run off to go hide.
Another idea is to shake or rattle the bag or container of their favorite treats. For rats that are die-hard foodies, this will be a sound they cannot resist and they will come running to meet you. If they aren't inspired by the sound, you can still try leaving treats in various places around the house to try to pick up on their whereabouts.
The best way to deal with escapees is simple do everything possible to prevent escapes in the first place.
Make sure your cages are secure and replace any cages or parts that aren't up to par. With young rats or smaller females, be sure the bar sizing on your cage is one-centimeter wide, as little rats will easily squeeze through the larger one-inch bar spaces. Teach your rats their names and how to come to you when called. This can be achieved simply by saying their name each time you treat them.
Enjoy playtime with your rats in a secured room, so any adventurous jumpers won't stray far if they escape their play area. It is also a good idea to secure the room your rats' cage is in, so if they do stage a jailbreak while you're off at work or school, you can relax knowing they are contained to that one room.
Again, it can't be stressed enough in the event of an escape, DON'T PANIC. Rats pick up on our moods and emotions, and a loose rat is less likely to approach a stressed out panicky human than they are to approach a calm person. If you ever find yourself in this situation just remember to stay calm, be patient, and think like a rat. Odds are if you use the tips and tricks listed above, your bold little adventure ratty will make their way back to you sooner or later."
Sick twisted people who take pride in torturing small animals that need to rot in jail or worse! >:-|
These are some of the sickest pieces of human garbage ever to grace the planet! If you've ever seen those horrible Snapping Turtle vs Rats, Snapping Turtle vs Seven Rats and Largemouth Bass vs Baby Rat, where this jerk who goes by the names of SofaKingAbsent/RatRippinReptileRage/Tazzzwannabe2 on either Youtube or LiveLeak, takes pleasure in feeding an illegally caught snapping turtle live rodents such as rats, mice and hamsters. He brags about catching the turtle whilst fishing in an Oklahoma river, and talks about how he enjoys seeing larger animals gore smaller ones for his twisted amusement. The videos are so horrific that they show halved rodents trying in vain to swim from the giant snapping turtle within a quite small fish tank. There is no doubt that the jerk starves his turtle before hand so it acts even more voracious than it normally would. The guy deserves to be thrown into a river full of Piranhas for what he did! >:-/
Thanks to a great person known by the nickname of NefariousBunny/AngriBunny http://nefariousbunny.blogspot.ca/2009/12/tank-baiting.html this son of a bitch was banned from Youtube, but the jerk keeps coming back under different usernames from various proxies. Here is a photo taken from one of his video rants on Liveleak.
""Posted by RatRippinReptileRage on February 15, 2010, 2:28 am, in reply to "To RatRippinReptileRage"
I do not consider myself a vore. I have no extraordinary interest in getting eaten or watching other things being eaten. I'm neither turned on nor off by seeing it. When I saw (HARD vore) as a subtext to my video, I actually thought it was a typo to "HARD core".
The primary reason I created "Snapping Turtle vs Rats" was for artistic expression and shock value; plus the interest in sharing this unseen beautiful spectacle with the world.
I decided to film the feedings after seeing the turtle completely skin one mouse alive. The turtle ripped the hide right off the mouse's entire body, face and all. The mouse, lower half in the turtle's mouth, continued struggling to surface. Now picture a skinny pink muscle structure with bulging black eyes, hanging out the turtle's mouth, trying valiantly to be freed from the death grip. This looked like a complete freak show, something sci-fi or CGI. After seeing a living creature without a hide, I decided that more people needed to see what I had just witnessed!
One aspect of feeder videos which stimulates my subconscious sexual fantasies, is seeing a weaker being, getting dominated and completely owned by a stronger being. This appeal is not limited to feeding videos, but virtually any act for which these qualities are on display. You may see the essence of the same energy in this GRAPHIC video I also created: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=07c_1249732108 I have to admit, I like hearing the rabbits and guinea pigs scream when snakes are F'n them up. In human sexuality, I enjoy dominating a female, especially when she attempts to resist. Playful of course; I am not a rapist, but I do at times enjoy sexual partners who are submissive or engage in struggling behaviors during sex. My ex had a rape fantasy so, as you can imagine, we had some great sex!
I am an artist and will continue to express myself and share my videos with the world. If my dreams indeed manifest, you will one day watch my major motion pictures in the theaters.
Here are some of his comments as Tazzzwannabe2 on Liveleak
Next is a creep from Chihuahua, Mexico who calls himself Jonah Vore. This guy brags about live trapping small creatures that have the misfortune of entering his backyard. He's claimed to have caught rabbits, squirrels, kittens and puppies to feed to his large snakes, which he films for his amusement. Jonah has also filmed himself forcing his snakes to eat baby chickens, ducklings, and pet rats, by putting them back into the snake's mouth even if it wasn't hungry, or worse throwing baby rats to two of his monitor lizards so they could have a tug of war with the poor helpless animal for his twisted amusement. He says he gets off on this sort of thing, which is really, really sickening! Jonah often posts his sick videos on such sites as Youtube, until he got banned, and here at this Big Gulp Message Board for fans of all things Vore http://members.boardhost.com/Big_Gulp/ Jonah is a furry and has an artwork account here http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jonah and has attended some "Furry" conventions in the United States such as Anthrocon and Further Confusion. He even went as far as to make a sacrifice video where he sacrificed baby rats to his lizards to celebrate his trip to Anthrocon, and for some reason he still hasn't been banned from that convention. D:
This is a photo of Jonah from one of his on-line accounts.
Here are some direct quotes from the bastid and links to his posts on the Big Gulp Message Board.
"JonahsVore Videos: Today's Feedings
Posted by Jonah on June 12, 2010, 11:03 pm
Introducing two new videos. Videos I like to call: Today Is A Good Day To Die.
Today was feeding day. Ten baby rats perished by tooth and claw. And because I'm looking forward to Anthrocon, thought I'd sacrifice some animals in the name of AC 2010. The first rat that was swallowed alive, was named Anthro, the second swallowed alive, was Con. Anthrocon. There was a third, named Furry, but he was thrashed so badly that I can't even show it. At least not yet. He was given to two monitors. And let's just say, things did not go well for Furry.
The Crocodile Monitor swallowed five baby rats, the Asian Water Monitor swallowed one, the Nile and the Black Throat Monitors played tug-a-war with a live baby rat (Furry), and a raven that I have yet to release (not quite old enough) was fed two baby rats, swallowed both alive. Video was taken of almost every feeding, so the baby rats didn't die in vane. And isn't that the important part?
There will be additional videos to follow of today's feeding. But some are too wild for YouTube, so I'll post the FurVid video links soon.
I hope you enjoy the videos because the cute baby rodents that were swallowed alive (except Furry) were dying in caustic stomach acid to show them to you.
Now let's have a moment of silence for our fallen friends, before we enjoy the videos. "
"JonahsVore: Rabbit Math Results
Posted by Jonah on June 5, 2010, 7:25 pm
The question: What do you get when you add three (3) wild-caught baby rabbits to one (1) large and very hungry Anaconda?
The answer: One larger Anaconda.
BTW, the Anaconda didn't constrict the rabbits, no more than to get a good purchase on them. She swallowed the rabbits alive. Just goes to show you that if you don't resist, you'll probably suffocate another way instead. Nature is interesting.
Please enjoy the Rabbit Math pictures. After all, the rabbits were dying to show them to you.
Next here is another sicko from Youtube that made a VS video of him feeding a helpless rat to his Argus lizard for jollies. He calls himself ThaimexG9.
Then there is this bastid! Please flag this sobs videos? This jerk thinks that it's cool to show slow-mo videos of his snake eating live mice. This is cruel and there is no reason that the snake can't be fed pre-killed food! >:-/ https://www.youtube.com/user/yang4evr
Finally here are some of the poor animals
In conclusion laws need to be passed to protect small animals from this sort of cruelty, and to make harsher penalties around the World for committing an act of cruelty on any animal!
Animal cruelty to rodents by some bastid in Malaysia >:-/|
In this sickening video some sick in the head Malaysian man has tied up what appears to be a rat and a mouse that he caught in his apartment. They are strung up from the limbs as he mocks them with a loud voice and prods and hits them with a metal stick. May this son of a bitch rot in jail for the heinous act that he did! >:-/
Please contact the Malaysian National Animal Welfare Foundation here and report this horrific act of cruelty. http://mnawf.org.my/index.php
I used a language translator to try and make sense of the Malaysian text. This is the translation "News explosive burst look
"After the capture of the corpse"!!!
One called "After the capture of Bianshi" video, Facebook began yesterday morning crazy pass, clip two mice suspect being tied up limbs.
Fragment of the beginning, the two mice and a small font has been tied up big, a man with two mice Tiecha constantly criticizing, "the group should take Mi ... it was just bad serve just fine tall generous harm Siya ", and asked how long the two mice sneak into the unit, two mice were flapping during twisting the body.
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What is worse is that Facebook didn't even consider the video to be against their community standards to remove it when numerous people complained. D:
This is why you should never release your pet rat into the wild!|
I came across this very important article by Shadowrat that should be shared with all pet rat owners.
This is why you should never release your pet rat into the wild! The chances against it's survival are very, very low, so please if you can't keep a pet, bring it to a no-kill shelter or rescue. =^.^=~
"So you want to release your rat?
It may be surprising to anyone who knows rats, but there are people who genuinely think a pet rat can survive in the wild if it is released.
I've had many people contact me about getting rid of their rat who tell me they were thinking of releasing them, or knew someone who had released their rat, or even that they considered rats wild animals and perfectly capable of looking after themselves.
This is no empty threat, either, as several of my rats have come to me after being found wandering in gardens or woods or parks, so clearly some people still think this is a good idea.
Domesticated rats are as vulnerable as babies.
Be under no illusion: Pet rats should never, ever be released into the wild.
The domestic rat is exactly that; domestic.
They have been bred in captivity since the 18th century, and many of their wild traits have been bred out of them.
Assuming a pet rat could survive as a wild rat is like thinking a chihuahua could survive with a pack of wolves. Wild rats and pet rats may be the same species, but domestication fundamentally changes a species, this is why your pet dogs do not react to you as a wolf would!
Domestication dulls down, or sometimes even obliterates that species natural instincts. Below are the main reasons rats should never be released.
Pet rats are used to being fed by their human carers, they would have no idea how to find food in the wild or what would be safe to eat. The same goes for water.
Rats learn what to eat from what their parents eat. They know from the second they're born just by the taste of their mother's milk. A rat dumped out into the wild would have no experience of the foods out there, or how to find them.
Also, don't forget that many people still cruelly put poison out for rats, and a domestic rat could easily eat this.
There are many, many species which prey upon rats. A domesticated rat does not have the same knowlege of predators as a wild rat does. It has never seen a fox, an owl, a badger. It may have seen dogs or cats before, but many rats who live with these animals view them as safe due to being used to their presence.
A pet rat will sit there and wait to be eaten by whichever predator turns up. While even domesticated rats retain some fight or flight instinct, they are no match against a wild animal.
Pet rats live in warm cages, with plenty of bedding, and have never experienced rain, wind, snow, ice. They have all their heat provided for them, and all the materials with which to nest.
When dumped into the wild, a pet rat has no idea where to go to get warm, it has little idea where to find the materials to make a warm bed. Don't forget, this is an animal who is used to having everything provided for it for it's entire life, just like a baby. It cannot then be expected to magically develop survival skills.
Do you think that wild rats would accept and welcome a pet rat as a member of their group?
Groups of wild rats are notoriously aggressive to new-comers on their territory, even other wild rats. They would seriously injure, or even kill, a domesticated rat.
Many domesticated rats are bred in 'unnatural' colours, or even with physical differences that would hugely hinder their ability to survive in the wild. Just think how clearly a white rat would show up on a brown forest floor! There is a reason why wild rats are born brown, black or grey!
Any rat that isnt one of these colours has no camouflage and is like a beacon to all predators.
Its also worth noting that many white rats have pink or ruby eyes, meaning their eye sight is worse than those with black eyes.
Not everyone likes rats.
For a lot of people, seeing a rat close to them is an instant cue for them to injure or kill it, whether its white or not.
A domestic rat is obviously going to be more used to humans, will not be aggressive toward them, and will perhaps not fear approaching one. This can be extremely dangeous if it happens to approach the wrong person.
So while our pet rats retain some instincts, they have essentially been 'bred stupid' by us. They are not adapted to live anywhere other than a human home, being fed, watered, and cared for.
The average lifespan of a wild rat is one year. And this is an animal adapted to live in such an environment. You can guess, then, the predicted life span for a domestic rat would be far less.
While some rats manage to keep themselves hidden and safe for a little while, the vast majority will die soon after release.
All the rats I've had bought to me from being found in the wild have had medical issues due to their ordeal. They are always underweight, always have parasites, and most have injuries to some degree.
Its also worth bearing in mind that releasing any domesitcated animal into the wild is considered abandonment of an animal in the eyes of the law. The penalty for being convicted of abandoning an animal can be up to 6 months in jail.
There is never any excuse to release any domesticated animal into the wild. If you do not want your animal anymore, call a rescue or sanctuary, rehome it via adverts, or even leave it on the doorstep of a rescue center. While the last option is not ideal, the rat at least stands a chance of being rehomed. In the wild, it stands little to no chance."
More bad pet owners >:-/|
This is another awful person that I don't like! >:-/ This female from New Hampshire was threatening to dump her rats on Craigslist for snake food because they were too big for her pet snake to eat. D: Someone rescued all of the rats but one aggressive male, and it's sad that they didn't want to take him, and he ended up as snake food. :-( So please share this post about this horrible lady named Katelyn from New Hampshire!
Here is yet another damn awful person! >:-/ This female is charging $10 per rat which would be good if she was only selling them as pets. I e-mailed her and she responded with the usual snakes gotta eat too, which really angers me because all snakes can be taught to eat humanely pre-killed rodents! Please share this post about this bad lady from Boston!
This is another very cruel and uncaring person. This jerk of a person named Tyler in O'Fallon, Missouri puts up an ad saying that three female Dumbo rats, two hairless and one furred were dumped into his possession and that he could not care for them. He then put them up on Craigslist offering them as pets or feeders for really cheap. A post was made on one of the rat groups and some pet owners, including myself tried to contact the ad poster to inquire about picking up the rats. The damn ad poster didn't even give the ad 24 hours before replying "Sorry, they were fed off" when there were people within half an hour driving distance that were willing to come and get the rats D: Not only that, but a day later the person put up another ad pawning off two of her pet snakes. What kind of sick individual trades their pets like used junk on Craigslist! >:-/ I felt really sad for these poor little darling rats, that never deserved to have fate put them in the hands of such a cruel bastid!!!
and one more cruel lady who runs a pet mill in Oshawa. This Mary Casby had the nerve to say that she wanted these poor rats gone as "Feeders, Not Pets" D: She not only did this but also bred birds, snakes and puppies for sale out of her own house. >:-/
Pet rats found dumped by bins in Inverkeithing >:/|
Hearing about stories like this of pet owners who abandon their pets outside makes me sick! It makes me want to give them a good kick in the teeth! >:-/
Pet rats found dumped by bins in Inverkeithing
It wouldn’t be unusual to find rats rummaging around bins.
But in Fife two domestic white rats have been found dumped. The male rats were discovered inside a large cage, beside a wheelie bin in Hill Street in Inverkeithing last week.
Now nicknamed Bazil and Bond, the abandoned rodents are in the care of the Scottish SPCA, which has launched an investigation into the incident.
Scotland’s animal welfare charity was alerted on Friday, after a resident found the creatures and took them to a nearby vet.
Senior Inspector John Chisholm said: “The lady reported seeing Bazil and Bond next to wheelie bins outside her flat at around 4pm on Wednesday.
“When they were still there at midnight, she took them in and handed them into a vets the next day.”
Mr Chisholm said the charity was keen to identify the person who owned Bazil and Bond, as abandoning animals is an offence.
Anyone with information can call 03000 999 999.
Here is some forwarded information about the dangers of using towels and cloths as bedding |
URGENT REMINDER (especially for new ratpeeps, along with the forgetful or just plain stressed and swamped):
NO TERRYCLOTH TOWELS!!! OF ANY SORT * FOR ANY REASON!!!
Ok, now that I've made my opinion loud and clear, admins, feel free to delete, tone down, or whatever you deem appropriate.
I just came SO CLOSE to losing a darling rat-patient I picked up and brought home with his familiar bedding. He goes to my vet tomorrow and I've been trying not to disturb him much. Oh Thank GOD I disturbed him long enough to see that his midsection was bulging in a way it wasn't when I checked on him a few hours ago. To my horror, he had somehow gotten a thread from his "Sammy rag" wrapped around him, almost literally cutting his midsection in two.
I had this happen once years ago - barely got to a little girl in the nick of time before her airways swelled enough to choke her. I swore then - never again - no towels draped over the cage or used as shelf-liners. So, I thought I knew better.
But Sammy is a paraplegic and doesn't move much. He's on meds, he's depressed, I thought it would be kindest to leave him as much as possible, in his familiar personal surroundings within a huge change in environment. Boy was I wrong. SO grateful I found him in time. Please pass on if you think it could possibly happen to one of your loved ones some day.
This is a very touching story! =^.^=|
A Rescue Tale: How a Tiny Rat We Named Lucky Came into Our Lives
Mary Kirkland, Yahoo! Contributor Network
May 7, 2013 "Share your voice on Yahoo! websites. Start Here."
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I've had many rats and other small animal over the past twenty years and most of them have been given to me by their owners who for whatever reason could no longer care for them. My daughter's friends know that if I am able I will take in and care for the animals they no longer can take care of. I don't usually advocate buying pets from pet stores because I think adopting from reputable breeders, rescues and shelters are a much better place to find a forever pet but this was a special case.
How I First Heard About Lucky
Right after Christmas of 2012 my daughter got a call from a friend who worked in a pet store and told my daughter that they had a tiny disabled rat that the store was refusing to sell because he only had three legs. So if no one came in to adopt him (for free) in the next couple of days they were going to euthanize him or use him as snake food.
My daughter called me and asked me if I could take in another rat and after she told me his story I happily agreed. My daughter and her boyfriend went down to the pet store a couple of days later when the store would allow him to be adopted and she signed the papers to get him for me on January 2nd, 2013.
When my daughter brought him to me I could see he was barely weaned and so tiny he could have been a mouse. I had a cage all set up for him and we gave him a day to get used to his new surroundings.
At first he ran away from our hands and would not let us pick him up. We have no idea how he was treated in the pet store but he was not used to humans at all. After giving him some treats and allowing him to sniff our hands we picked him up and put him on the couch with us so he could get used to us. After a few days he would jump in our hands as soon as we came close to him and now he loves coming out to play.
He's now five months old and even though he's missing a front paw, he gets around just fine. He runs, jumps, climbs and his disability doesn't slow him down at all.
The next time you find yourself looking for a pet to adopt, don't pass over the 'special' pets. Animals with special needs and disabilities need and deserve forever homes too and a lot of times aren't anymore work to care for than an animal who doesn't have special needs.
A great video showing how to raise an orphaned baby mouse =^.^=~|
Pets abandoned on doorstep |
Too many times have I read stories about people abandoning their small animals outside to fend for themselves or die in the cold. These three rats were lucky that a Brampton man found them. Something really must be done to stop the amount of unwanted pets and create more small animal shelters, because the larger ones don't have the space for them. Perhaps it's time that everybody wrote to their city councilors and told them that they want the sales of pets banned from pet shops and to shut down all pet mills!
"If Kevin Broda hadn't stopped to talk to his neighbour when he came back from dinner on Saturday night, the outcome could have been very different.
Broda and the neighbour heard a faint noise coming from a Blue Box deposited at the side of the house on Drury St. They investigated, discovered a garbage bag inside the Blue Box - and inside the bag, a cage containing a pet rat.
Broda then noticed a second garbage bag set beside the stop sign at the corner. Inside that bag was another cage, containing two rats.
They were obviously pets: well-fed, well cared for, and friendly. But they were abandoned, and that made Broda furious - especially since temperatures plunged on Sunday night.
"I love pets - and to have somebody do that to a pet..." he says. "If you don't want the animals, don't just drop them off and hope somebody finds them. I just don't understand people like that. It's just animal cruelty."
Broda and the neighbour tried calling Animal Control and the police, but got little response; Animal Control in Vaughan demanded a payment of $200, to come and pick up the cages. Instead, Broda set the cages in a shed, kept them warm with blankets, and provided water and food.
He says he would keep the rats himself, except that he already has a dog, and two cats. If he can't find someone to adopt the animals, he'll call the OSPCA.
Broda guesses that the animals may have belonged to someone who had to make a "last-minute move" and couldn't take the rats with them. All the same, he says, "It's a crying shame that someone would actually do that with their pets. No respect for their well-being - to just do it and not care."
The Ontario SPCA Animal Centre at 16586 Woodbine Ave. in Newmarket can be reached at 905-898-7122. To surrender an animal, call extension 385; to report a case of animal cruelty or neglect, call extension 327.
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A Love Story About... A Rat Named Mr. Tiffany|
I saw this story posted on my friend from RattieRatz page. It shows that people can care about an animal that most people dislike, fear or hate.
"A Love Story About... A Rat Named Mr. Tiffany
Posted: 01/09/2013 11:35 am EST | Updated: 01/09/2013 11:58 am EST
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By Alexandra Harney
Meet Mr. Tiffany (Mr. T, for short): pen thief, beer drinker, and all-around lovable rodent.
When we found him, he was blind and soaking, slumped in an alleyway, clearly close to death. He struggled to stand, then listed to one side and collapsed again. We watched him for a moment, horrified. And then, because we couldn't just leave him there to die, we picked him up and brought him inside.
We laid him gently on the white expanse of our kitchen counter. After the blurry dark of the monsoon outside, the kitchen felt as bright and quiet as an operating theater. My fiancé, Colin, placed him inside a robin's-egg-blue Tiffany box. We called him Tiffany, and then later, Mr. Tiffany -- but most often, we called him Mr. T. That night, while I lay in our bedroom, hiding from the creature's inevitable death, Colin nursed him once an hour with eyedroppers of milk and energy drinks.
He was a street rat, no more than a few days old. His life had begun in the grimy alley beside our apartment in Hong Kong, and to most people, he would have embodied filth and disease. But we saw instead a fragile, unknowable life, and in the three years that followed, we came to see him as no average soul.
Mr. T entered our world during a time of transition. Our wedding was three months away, and I was working seven days a week, often long into the night. My job as a foreign correspondent kept me in constant motion and took me around the world; even owning furniture seemed like a big commitment. I tried not to think about what that would mean for the future. Colin and I planned to have children someday, though some nights we could barely find time to have dinner. Taking in a half-dead rat that needed sustained attention just to survive hadn't been on my agenda.
Which was why, when Colin and I found that Mr. T was miraculously still breathing the next morning, we vowed to set the rat free as soon as he'd recovered fully. He had survived, but he was a wild animal who deserved to live among his own kind. Not to mention that we had both read up on the extensive roster of virulent diseases rodents carry. Unwilling to get attached, I avoided him like, well, the plague.
Still, as he gained strength over the following weeks, we couldn't help celebrating Mr. T's tiny milestones: the moment a week after we found him when he opened his eyes in Colin's palm, the night he lost his fear of our shiny floor tiles, the day he turned a bicycle into a jungle gym, his little black shrimp's eyes flashing in excitement as he clambered over its pedals and wheels.
Mr. T began to make himself at home, confiscating mail, pens, and whole pizza slices and dragging them under the sofa, then chewing a crawl space inside the sofa itself. It was clear he intended to settle in for the long haul. But could we really keep this animal? On the other hand, was it even feasible for Mr. T to reenter the wild? We called a professor at Oxford University who specialized in rat behavior. He told us that domesticated rats set free in the forest begin acting like wild rats within a few hours. There was nothing stopping us from bidding Mr. T adieu and moving on with our lives.
Nothing except the fact that we couldn't resist his charms. Already, he'd begun to train us in his care. By knocking over his dinner dishes or leaving them untouched, he made it clear that most vegetables -- carrots, green beans, peppers -- were inedible unless drenched in butter. He would eat peas, but only when shelled; the tops, but never the stalks, of broccoli; blueberries, but only if cut in half. His favorite foods were mushroom pâté, sushi, and scrambled eggs. A few drops of beer were always appreciated. We prepared him two hot meals a day, which he ate with surgical precision, extracting the fattiest morsels first. He was too cute to let go.
Colin built Mr. T a five-story dwelling from wood and chicken wire, which we furnished with the cushions of the sofa he had destroyed. Mr. T compulsively redesigned his home, shredding the cushions and shoving bits of stuffing into the gaps in the chicken wire. Sometimes he would snuggle under my palm, pushing his nose into the V between my thumb and forefinger. If I tried to move away, he would grip my fingers with powder-pink, gummy-palmed paws.
I began to see Hong Kong as a place teeming with more than just human life: the giant hoary moth wrapped around the corner of an office building, the bird squatting on the pavement outside a watch shop, the feral dogs that patrolled the area behind our apartment building. One afternoon, after noticing one of Mr. T's grubbier cousins in the same alley where we had found him, I realized that the line we draw between animals that are socially acceptable and those we find repugnant can be awfully arbitrary.
As Mr. T steadily pawed his way into our hearts, Colin and I identified, for the first time in our lives, as parents. My husband was a rational and generous father, and I was a neurotic, fussy mom. Colin tried to see the world through Mr. T's eyes, adding a solid wooden door to Mr. T's home when he realized how much he liked his privacy, or adhesive sandpaper when he saw Mr. T slip on his ramps. Meanwhile, I obsessed over Mr. T's health, fearing that every nap or failed attempt to mount the coffee table signaled terminal illness.
I felt our world conforming to Mr. T's needs -- and I loved it. Colin and I stopped going out to dinner as often and instead spent evenings in our living room, beaming proudly as Mr. T dragged apples and socks into his house with great seriousness. Some nights, we stayed up on the sofa until 2, 3, 4 in the morning, waiting for the nocturnal Mr. T to rouse himself and pad downstairs. We stopped traveling together so one of us could always be home to keep him company, and when that was impossible, we enlisted house sitters and left an instruction manual nearly an inch thick. At parties we matched our friends' tales of their children with news of Mr. T's latest tricks, his most recent fascinations: wooden knives and forks, starchy restaurant napkins, salmon sashimi. I posted photos on Facebook of Mr. T eating green beans, his tiny paws covered in tomato sauce, or Mr. T in repose, his whiskers a halo around his face.
And all the while, we grappled with the fact that Mr. T didn't have much time. On the streets, most rats die before their first birthday. In captivity, many die by 3. Not long after he turned 2, Mr. T's once rapid pace slowed to a jog, then a waddle, and he began to sleep more solidly through the days. But he was determined to keep going. When, as I had often worried he might, he developed a tumor -- it was as large as his head -- we found a microsurgeon who removed it, and Mr. T sprinted across our living room the same day. When a spinal condition paralyzed his back legs, he adapted by pulling himself up and down the ramps with his front paws.
One night Mr. T began to struggle to breathe. This time the surgeon couldn't save him. Mr. T died in Colin's hands. We had him cremated, and held a small ceremony in which we scattered some of his ashes in the park behind our apartment building so he could rest near his family. We put the remainder of his ashes in an urn, which we placed beside a picture of him in our living room, and tried to adjust to the sad fact that we didn't get to be Mr. T's mom and dad anymore. But shortly after his passing, Colin and I became parents to a son, whom we named Louis T.
A few years earlier, we had struggled to find even a spare hour in the day -- but Mr. T taught us how to make room in our lives for the future we wanted, to be more empathetic, more patient. He taught us to love unconditionally. We'd found Mr. T in one of life's interstices, between dating and marriage, coupledom and parenthood. If it had been a dog or a cat slumped in our alleyway that night, there would be no story to tell. We would have brought the animal to a shelter. Knowing that nobody would do that for Mr. T made us bring him into our home, and doing so made all the difference.
Some of our friends and family just didn't get Mr. T. They never understood how we could love a rat. We never understood how, if you had the pleasure of meeting him, it was possible not to.
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Investigation Reveals Hell on Earth for Animals at California Dealer Warehouse |
Hearing about horror stories of animal abuse like this makes me truly sick! >:/
Please follow the link and sign the petition to urge government officials to enact tougher anti-animal cruelty laws.
*If anyone disagrees with PETA, you can instead send a comment to the Governor of California here about the issue. http://gov.ca.gov/m_contact.php
Poor animals were suffering in the video, and people need to speak out to those in government to try and do something about it! I'm not a PETA supporter, but I do speak out against animal cruelty. This time PETA happened to discover what was going on. Imagine if they hadn't have, this animal warehouse would have gone on causing these small animals to suffer for many years to come. Maybe nobody would have noticed? In this particular case I am glad that the place was shut down, so no more animals would suffer. I am sad that some of the surviving animals were not given out to smaller rescues to be given veterinary treatment and possibly found new homes.
The fact is we need tougher anti-cruelty laws to protect animals. We need to have organizations who are willing to help investigate for the sake of the animals and not for profit, and most of all, whether you agree with PETA or not, speak out for the sake of the animals, because they can't speak for themselves!
"For more than two months in late 2012, a PETA investigator worked undercover at Global Captive Breeders, LLC (GCB), a company that bred and sold reptiles and rats in Lake Elsinore, California. PETA's investigator documented that some of the company's workers, including its manager—and generally with the full knowledge of its owner, Mitch Behm—neglected thousands of animals, many of them to death, and cruelly killed countless more.
Based on PETA's evidence, law-enforcement officials entered GCB on December 12 and mounted the largest rescue of neglected rats in U.S. history and the largest seizure of animals ever in California. All the animals—more than 600 reptiles and 18,000 rats—were relinquished by Behm into the city’s custody, and a criminal investigation is underway.
The facility, which reeked of death, decay, and ammonia from accumulated urine and feces, typically housed thousands of adult rats and hundreds of reptiles, including snakes, monitor lizards, skinks, tokay geckos, and sulcata tortoises, with just two full-time staffers and one part-time helper as of mid-December.
Rats: Born to Die
Most of the thousands of rats who were kept at GCB were what the pet trade industry refers to as "feeder" animals―bred and sold to be fed to snakes and other captive carnivorous reptiles kept as "pets." Because of the facility's chronic failure to provide animals with even their most minimal requirements, the rats were not just doomed to die terrifying, painful deaths inside GCB's walls but also born into and kept in filth and misery throughout their entire lives.
- Rats—including those weakened by illness and suffering from injuries were routinely grabbed by the tail and slammed into metal posts, racks, tables, and walls when workers (including the facility's manager) decided to kill them. Many didn't die quickly―and were thrown into trash bins or into a reptile's cage while still alive and convulsing. Some rats, including newborns, were frozen alive, despite the availability of a makeshift gas box in which the animals could have been killed with less suffering. Loose rats were shot with a BB gun, one rat was stomped on and maimed then whipped against a metal rack and finally killed, and several rats were bludgeoned with metal tongs and the handle of a BB gun.
- Tubs used for housing flooded frequently, drowning countless rats and leaving hundreds of others to struggle to keep their heads above water as the water rose. Exhausted, shivering, and terrified, many mother rats watched helplessly as their newborns drowned.
- Hundreds of rats were found dead in tubs, where they had been deprived of the most basic necessities—moderately clean air, dry bedding, drinking water, nutritious food, veterinary care, minimally humane handling, and adequate space to groom and engage in other normal and essential forms of behavior.
- During sorting and moving rats, the facility manager was among those who threw them up to 8 feet into hard plastic containers.
- Water valves in rat enclosures frequently malfunctioned, leaving the animals without water for extended periods of time, parched, their noses bloody from pushing at the bone-dry valves, dehydrated, and in many cases, dead.
Reptiles: Slowly Starved, Intentionally Ignored
Snakes, skinks, monitor lizards, and other reptiles at GCB were essentially left to die; they were so neglected that, in many cases, even their deaths went unnoticed by management―for days, leaving enclosures and rotting carcasses teeming with maggots. Some of them captured in the wild and stolen from their native homes, reptiles at GCB didn't stand much of a chance of survival.
- Behm repeatedly told workers not to care for the facility's reptiles because his revenue was coming from the rat-breeding operation and there was "no reason to spend time up front" (where the reptiles were housed) when the reptiles weren't generating any revenue.
- Many reptiles were kept shelved in lightless, opaque drawers so small that they could not move, eat, or eliminate normally and were trapped with their own waste.
- Many reptiles were kept confined without access to water.
- Dozens of reptiles packed up for sale at a trade show were crammed into plastic deli cups and denied food, water, and other essentials for at least a week.
- Chronic deprivation was the norm at GCB—reptiles often languished for weeks before finally dying—hopeless, isolated, and robbed of all that was natural and important to them.
Warehoused in Filth, Mired in Misery
Behm typically employed just three employees—and lately, one of those just three days a week—to care for up to 19,000 animals during weekdays. On weekends, reptiles were not attended to at all, and as of late October, rats weren't, either, which meant a sky-high body count on Monday mornings. In just their first few days at GCB, law-enforcement officials found more than 700 dead animals.
PETA's investigator never saw GCB bring a veterinarian into the facility and was consistently turned down when he asked about providing veterinary care to any of the animals, even those who were clearly in critical condition and on death's door.
PETA's investigator brought obviously sick and injured animals' suffering to the attention of Behm, the manager, and others but to no avail. Week after week, animals languished and died, including these:
- An emaciated, lethargic, pale, and shriveled albino boa constrictor—lying alongside maggots and reeking of rotting flesh for a month—whom the manager and a worker refused to help or even put out of his or her misery because Behm would have reportedly gotten angry. Instead, Behm told the manager to "wash" the snake in water; the snake was dead within a week.
- For about a week, a thin, listless baby black tree monitor who was cold to the touch was left to waste away slowly before finally dying. The manager said it would be "too expensive" to euthanize the lizard. Another worker said that the animal had "to languish … [u]ntil he" died.
- A Hogg Island boa constrictor was left to suffer with an untreated, grossly swollen nose for over a month after the manager saw the snake. A worker used a thumbtack that he got off a bulletin board to repeatedly jab the snake's face and puncture the animal's nose as the snake struggled and writhed. The worker then repeatedly squeezed the snake's face, hard, until pus erupted from the wound. The snake's nose swelled back up within a couple of days, and he continued to languish.
- A weak and debilitated blue tongue skink was left to drag his injured back leg and suffer for more than a week before dying. When PETA's investigator told the manager that the skink needed care, the manager threw his hands in the air and exclaimed, "There is nothing I can do for him … if he dies, he dies. That's better than him living here, I guess."
A History of Sadism
GCB owner Mitch Behm is no stranger to PETA. In 1985, while a biology student at the State University of New York at Stony Brook, Behm raised mice, rats, and rabbits and then recorded himself throwing them into tiny enclosures with ferrets, who attacked, maimed, and killed the animals. The twisted "predator behavior experiments"—which were not approved by the University—were, according to Behm at the time, in part for his "personal enjoyment." PETA distributed the video under the title "Getting Away With Murder." See the disturbing footage for yourself. PETA never forgot Behm, whose business in 2012 showed that little had changed in the decades since we first encountered his perverse penchant for watching animals suffer.
What You Can Do
The cruelty documented by PETA's investigator at GCB is typical of the filth, crowding, deprivation, and stress that PETA's investigations of pet trade suppliers have documented over and over again. You can help reptiles, rats, mice, and other animals exploited by this ruthless, greed-driven business of misery and suffering by vowing never to patronize stores that sell live animals. Share this investigation with your friends and family now."
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More bad pet owners >:/|
People like this girl http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mynameiszura/ who say hi, look at my cute pets, now they're going to die, they're snake food, and my snake is cuter, those people make me sick! >:/ They shouldn't have any kind of pets in my opinion, and certainly by live feeding, they aren't doing the right thing for their snake, because a cornered rodent can seriously injure a snake before it's eaten, or in a few cases might actually kill the snake. Responsible reptile owners will feed humanely pre-killed rodents to their snakes or other reptiles.
Information on why feeding pre-killed is better for your snake.
What kind of person could want to kill such cute animals?!?!
Here she brags about how funny it is to have fed them to her snake,
Thom is gone |
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Old pic of Thom and Lan|
Thom and Lan |
A photo of Thom and Lan. Since my last post I've gotten the double level critter nation cage and the rats seem to be enjoying the extra space—not that it stops them from being very anxious and excited to come out every day. Lewis and Lan still get in fights, I do my best to break it up when I see things escalating. I still have to bear the scratches appearing on him frequently, but at least it seems to happen less.
A difficult situation|
Hello everyone, today isn't a day for great news, rather one of reaching out and desperation I'm having a difficult time at the moment.
You may or may not know I currently have four rats, my two older boys (maybe 1.25 years old or so) are Lan and Thom and my two younger boys (4 or 5 months now) are Simon and Lewis.
Simon and Lewis have never been as social and friendly as Thom and Lan, they generally hide and don't interact with me in the same affectionate way. However I had no problem with it, it's just how they are and I still care for them. However for the past month or so Lewis has been retaliating against Lan when he jumps on him playfully/dominance showing in extreme ways. Lan is hairless and I know it's normal for him to get scratches but I hear him cry out when they "fight" and as I stand up in alarm he'll come running over to me in a panic and I'll pick him up and hold him close to comfort him. When he's calmed down I'll take a look and find his stomach covered in scratches, and it's been happening every couple days. He gets long red scratches all over his back and stomach and sometimes he gets these deep bloody gashes on his stomach that are just horrifying. Today just an hour or two ago Lan came running to me with these deep gashes on both of his back legs and his stomach covered in these 2 inch long scratches. I have him in the cat carrier next to me as I type this to try and keep him clean and out of harms way.
Lewis and Simon not being friendly with me is no big deal, but I cannot deal with Lan getting hurt this bad on a regular basis. He has a scab just millimeters away from his eye from a few days ago and I hate feeling like I'm just waiting for him to run to me one day with his eye gouged open.
I care about Simon and Lewis and I don't want to give them up but I feel like I'm at the end of my rope and I don't know what to do besides try to find them a new home. I've tried so many things to make them more comfortable here but they just don't seem like they will ever come around no matter how much space, treats and affection I share with them. Lan getting bloodied is the thing I cannot deal with on a regular basis. I need either a solution to Lewis's tendency to snap back when provoked or I need to find them a new home. I live in the Northeast Ohio area if anyone is open to two rats with some antisocial tendencies (not biting or aggression towards humans, but definitely shyness.) I want them to be in an environment they feel comfortable in and I want Lan to be safe. Please help me ;_;
Simon (doesn't really like getting pets...usually)|
Simon has a very unique and cute looking face. He's really very shy and doesn't like to be touched though, it makes me sad.
Rodent safety tips for pet owners|
Always have a spare cage when getting any new rat or mouse because not all of them will get along, and taking them back to the store or shelter is fair either. One time I had to go out and buy a bunch of mouse cages when I adopted a whole mouse family during the time the Toronto Humane Society was being shut down for restructuring and renovation. I noticed that the three brothers were fighting allot and the little one was getting picked on, so I immediately put wire separators in the tank they came in, until I could go to the store in the morning to buy them each a new cage. The three sisters got along fine and never fought, but I had other females that I had to keep separate from them in their own cages, the same with other males too. Just be prepared ahead of time when getting a new rat, mouse or any other small animal.
Another important thing to watch for are food hogs, which is one of the rodents is guarding and hoarding the food and not letting the others get their fare share of it. This could lead to some of your pets getting very ill from not getting proper nutrition. If you notice one of the animals acting extremely jealous or aggressive during feeding time, you may have to take the others out of the cage and feed them separately, so they don't become malnourished.
Other standard precautions are to keep all electrical wires away from the cages and unplug appliances when letting your pets roam outside the cage, since they'll be tempted to chew on things. Keep all doors, windows and any other places with holes that they could crawl though closed up when they're let out for exercise, and most important of all, make sure you know where all of them are before you move a muscle! Pet rodents tend to run toward you or under you as you're about to kneel, step, lay back against the couch, etc., and you wouldn't want to accidentally squish them. Never take your pets out to play if you are feeling tired because you could roll over and accidentally crush them in your sleep.
Do not let your rats outside, as you never know when a large predator like a cat will run by to try and snatch it, or a large bird could be circling to swoop down and try to grab it. Keep all windows shut, and all holes in the wall covered, sinks plugged, toilet seats closed, etc, etc so that your rat cannot escape or get hurt. These critters love to run and hide sometimes. If you rat does get away, place food near the places where it most likely disappeared, and leave a trail of food back to an open cage or box.
When going to feed or give treats and you are unsure if the food is safe to eat for your pets, please take a few moments to search on-line for what foods are good and which ones to not feed that could harm your pet, before giving them the nom noms.
I hope these rodent safety tips are of help.
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Messed up people like this make me sick!|
This person is a messed up piece of trash for posting a pic of a mouse that he fed to his snake thinking it's funny! Perhaps misfortune will find it's way to him, one can only hope. ;D
Hello, my name is Om Nom and I'll be alive for about the next 5 minutes.
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The baby babies|
The ISO on this photo was super high and it was originally quite dark so sorry about the quality
Another pic of Simon|
This was my favorite picture of Simon when I first got them, I didn't share it yet so here it is. His whiskers are *so long*
Things like this just makes me sad :-(|
People posting photos of pet mice only to say that they're going to be fed live to reptiles later -.-
whois otherwise known as Abby Gwyne Musselman
Stay or Go...
Journal Entry: 16 hours ago
So as everyone can see, Anne my rare two toned female gave birth to her first litter of mice. They are all about a week old now and are in their hopper stage. Unfortunately as a breeders life goes, I have to make the decision about which will be used and supplied for food for reptiles and who will be added to my breeding stock. I have come to that decision. One female I named Bandit(she has a picture on here) has been added to the breeding stock. Of course she is a long way from breeding and I do not condone any sort of inbreeding whatsoever. She will have a couple of months to grow and be a crazy little mouse baby and teenager before she is given her "job" aka being a momma.
Anne has proven to have the dominant gene when it comes to her color pattern and has thrown two like her, solid two tones. I choose Bandit over them because she is not solid. Unlike her mother she has a white body and the two tone strip over both eyes (hence the name). That will add more color and vibrancy to the batches ahead.
The rest of the little mice will be used as feeder mice for my clients in the area with reptiles. As always, the mice are treated with a balanced diet and plenty of vitamins to ensure that their lives, no matter how long or short, are full and healthy. The reptiles like all animals, are only as healthy as the food they are supplied.
I will post more pictures of Anne and her daughter Bandit as time goes on and she grows. I cannot wait to see those little eyes open!
[ Hide Comment ] (No Subject) Posted: 16 hours ago
I hope that you put them down as humanely as possible before selling them as reptile food.
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(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago
Well most of the reptiles owners that the mice go to would prefer them live for their reptiles instincts. While they may be live until put into the enclosure, they are treated just as well as my mice that I keep up until that point. It is the circle of life and the ones in the wild don't eat dead food or frozen food so I don't freeze them myself. I do not disagree with the idea, just not for me. And besides, liquid nitrogen is quite expensive. To expensive to buy to freeze my food.
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[ Hide Comment ] (No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
In the wild the mice would have a chance to escape, compared to being put into an enclosure where they do not have that chance. When I worked at the Humane Society, the reptiles were only fed pre-killed rodents, and they all were fine with that, even the snakes were trained to eat pre-killed.
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[ Hide Comment ] (No Subject) Posted: an hour ago
Choose to be kind and put them to sleep first, because if you think of it this way, if one of your horses ever needed surgery, you wouldn't want the vet to say that they weren't going to use anesthetic since it was too expensive. Just because a creature is small, doesn't mean it feels less pain.
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(No Subject) Posted: 15 minutes ago
I do respect your opinion. And I work in a vets office myself. I gathered all of my advice from a countless number of vets and specialists before I started my mouse breeding. The snakes, when fed, are all put into a specific open area where the mice do have a chance. More often than not, the mouse lives for quite some time until the lazy little reptile will chase for his food. In no way would I ever condone using a tiny tank for feeding, pre killed or live. It is not only the cost of the nitrogen that is steep, but the risk of my other animals getting to it as I live on a farm and the sad fact is that some people would just choose to put them in the freezer alive. I will stick to my method as it has proven effective and I know that it will continue to do so.
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[ Hide Comment ] (No Subject) Posted: a few minutes ago
If you can afford to keep horses, how can you complain on the cost of nitrogen? You can always store the nitrogen safely away from the other animals.
Are you saying that you let the mice outside of a cage or tank with the reptile, where it can choose to run away if not caught or do you mean a larger enclosed space? Also a mouse can inflict a nasty bite on a reptile when cornered, so that puts the other animal at risk for injury or infection also, mind you baby mice don't have much of a chance. If you care about any of your mice, you have to ask yourself how can you choose which are the nice ones to keep and which ones to condemn. >.<
(No Subject) Posted: couple of minutes ago
I run a boarding ranch and have chosen not to let toxic chemicals such as the nitrogen lay around my ranch. I do repsect your opinion but that is quite enough all ready. The mice have a fair chance and I along with my vet, agree that it is the circle of life. Thank you
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